I'm Sarah Kenzer, the author of the best sellers, the View from Fiverr Country and

Hiding in Plains site.

And of the new book, they knew how a culture of conspiracy keeps America complacent, which

is out today, so you can go ahead and get that now.

And I'm Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of

the journalistic thriller, Mr. Jones, the film, the Cremland is in want you to see, and

we know this because it keeps shutting down screenings.

And this is Gaslit Nation, a podcast covering corruption in the United States and rising

autocracy around the world.

And today we're joined by a very special guest, Mike Coho's Sarah Kenzer, the author of

her latest book, They New.

This interview begins as a dark and stormy night.

This is the closest Sarah that you'll probably ever come to writing a Stephen King novel,

only it's real and it's about American history.

Yeah, I mean, my dream is that for all of our predictions that we've made over the last

four years together to be wrong and for the United States to, you know, turn into a true

democracy.

And then I will actually write a fictional Stephen King type novel.

But yeah, for now, unfortunately, Hiding in Plains site and they knew we'll have to

suffice for that.

Yeah.

And so if you're into Gothic ghost stories, if you're into travel journals, if you're

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