"They fall behind and are slowly crushed" - Board Games and Economics with Richard Garfield
Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford
Pushkin Industries
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 19 December 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Playing board games and spending too much money are time-honored Christmas traditions, so to mark the festive season, Tim is joined by the creator of Magic: The Gathering - Richard Garfield - for a special Q&A about economics and game design.
How should you go about building the perfect game? Why did the Magic trading card market crash? Why do so many people hate Monopoly? Plus, Richard has a bone to pick with Tim about a previous episode of Cautionary Questions.
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| 1:23.4 | But a few months ago, I spotted an email from a name I recognised. |
| 1:28.8 | Richard Garfield is a mathematician, inventor, and the game designer behind the huge game, |
| 1:35.5 | Magic the Gathering, and many more synths, including King of Tokyo, Robo Rally, and Key Forge. |
| 1:42.7 | But Richard had a bone to pick with me about one of my previous |
| 1:46.9 | episodes of cautionary questions. So, of course, of course, rather than argue with him on email, |
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