I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios. It's Thursday, November 25th. Happy Thanksgiving.

This is not just any Thanksgiving. It's the 400th anniversary of the so-called first Thanksgiving in 1621.

And with us now as historian, Kenneth C. Davis, author of The Don't Know Much About series of history books.

One of them is called America's Hidden History, Untold Tales of the First Pilgrims, Fighting Women and Forgotten Founders Who Shaped a Nation.

And with what is known about the real Thanksgiving origin story and to bust some of the myths,

Ken is joining us now.

Then we'll have a call in for retail workers as you get ready for Black Friday.

And as Amazon workers in 20 countries plan a Black Friday strike.

Hi, Ken. Happy 400 Friday strike. Hi, Ken.

Happy 400th anniversary.

Hi, Brian.

Thank you.

And I'm sure I speak for many listeners who would add your name to the list that you just read.

Thank you for all the work you do.

We all appreciate it.

And this is a great program, and we've enjoyed our

conversations for a long time. So I'm very grateful to be part of it. So thank you.

That's very nice. Thank you. So, Ken, if April showers bring Mayflowers, what do Mayflowers bring?

Pilgrims. Yeah, that's what they taught us back in kindergarten when they were also teaching us

how to put our hand down and make a turkey, which could also kind of look like Native American

feathers. So that's the pageant version that a lot of us got and stayed around for a long time.

I think in recent years we've moved away from it, but people are still very confused by what this

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