You guys have heard me make a lot of jokes before on this show about Andy Stanley and Rick Warren

and these other sort of woke priests of a new secular world order, if you will. And I get a lot

of flack and a lot of people have stopped listening, have sent emails, have said that's very

winsome, that's not very nice. Have you tried to reach out and talk to

those people individually as if Rick Warren would ever sit down with me if I emailed him and asked

them to him. Believe me, many people with way bigger platforms, way more influence and way more

charisma have tried to reach out and meet with people in a face-to-face meeting like Andy Stanley

at North Point Church in Atlanta, and, well,

Rick Warren's no longer the senior pastor of Saddleback, but he still bears a lot of influence there.

And these men, these two men in particular have no interest in responding to nuanced, curious,

and concerned questions of believers who see the leftward drift of evangelicalism

and the capitulation and cowardice of formerly, highly esteemed pastors, authors, and Christian leaders

who were instrumental in the faith journeys of many Christians over the last 20 years,

who have now seemingly gone the whole way and castrated themselves and buried their testicles,

somewhere in the backyard and no one can find them.

Why do I talk this way about these people?

Because they're no longer just confused brethren who really love the Lord, and they just reached a couple different

conclusions on a couple different issues. And so grace and grace and grace and grace abounds. No,

I'm saying that they're now snakes in the church. And you're about to see a lot more failures

of major American Christians and pastors and misleading and false gospel and false

doctrine that's going to mislead and deceive young believers into something that is not

the gospel because we're not identifying what's happening right now in the American

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