I was arrested for holding one of the most basic fundamental truths that we've known forever.

Children are not born in the wrong body.

Their immediate instinct was to call us fascists.

And Chris asked, well, what about our free speech? We have a right to freedom of speech here, don't we?

And the police said it doesn't work like that here.

And we were arrested, strip searched, put in cells for a few hours.

Why were you strip search? If I get criminal charges, it will change my life quite substantially.

It's quite a high cost for free speech. It's not good. It's not. It's not good at all.

Lois McClatchie Miller, welcome to the show. Thank you.

Good to have you on.

We wanted to have you on for a while, but particularly more recently because of an incident you were involved in.

So you're someone who campaigns on a number of issues, one of them being trans ideology.

It's an issue we haven't talked about for quite some time, really, because initially in the journey of trigonometry, we were just investigating it and kind of going, like, you know, these trans women are real women, what does that mean? And how does it work and all of that? And then I think it's fair to say over time we came to what we thought was a pretty reasonable position on that. And over time the country came to,

Britain at least, came to what is a pretty reasonable position on that. You know, outlawing puberty

blockers, defining what a woman is. Finally, we know. Good. We've discovered that. And now we don't

really talk very much about it because we sort of feel that it's been dealt with.

But you had an incident recently which shows how much more there is going on around that and speech and so on.

So tell us about your work and what happened.

Yeah, well, I was arrested for holding one of the most basic fundamental truths that we've known forever.

Children are not born in the wrong body.

And it's one of the most important messages of our day. And you're right to say that the UK's

come a really long way legally and politically on this issue. But I think sometimes we can just

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