Regardless of how you were raised, this stuff is our culture and it is in us and

unconscious and insidious ways and it very much shapes how we think about all of these qualities and

This very tenuous and complex relationship that women have with greed and when it was first written down,

before it was gendered and turned into culture

and socialized in all of our bodies,

it was an admonishment not to hoard wealth and to be generous.

To be generous with the poor. Welcome back to the Money with Katie

with Katie's show, Rich People.

I'm your host Katie Yaddy Tossan, and today we are talking about the seven deadly

sins, or maybe more accurately how our perceptions of a couple of them, namely greed and slaw, unconsciously affect our relationships with money and work. For those who aren't consciously aware of the seven deadly sins, they are

pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth.

A. K.

all the ingredients for a great Saturday night.

And I say consciously aware because as my guest today will point out, these ideas are woven into our culture,

regardless of your exposure to explicit religiosity.

Elise Lunin, author of, On Our Best Behavior, The Price Women Pay to Be Good,

and the Host of the Pulling the Thread Podcast, is joining me today.

I first discovered her work a couple months ago via a series that I was

referencing in our episode with Kate Kennedy, if you remember that one, in which

Elise had audited the feeds of popular male podcasters in an attempt to understand how and why women were so absent from their conversations and their platforms.

And as serendipity would have it, we actually talked for this episode the morning of the

Huberman Exposay in New York magazine. I picked up a copy of her book shortly after I heard about her

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