Hey there. It's the NPR Politics podcast. I'm Miles Parks. I cover voting. I'm Ashley Lopez. I cover politics. And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent. And today on the show, another conversation with swing voters. These are voters who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 and Donald Trump in 2024. We've been hearing

from them from different states throughout the year. And this time, we're hearing from 13 voters

in Georgia. Ashley, before we get into what these voters had to say, tell us a little bit more

about who they are. Right. So out of the 13 folks that we heard from in these two online focus groups, seven identified as independent voters, five as Republicans and one as a Democrat. And as you mentioned, these are folks who voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in 2020 and then supported the Republican candidate in 2024. So it's important, like the thing that I always

remember about these voters, that's important to keep in mind is that these voters may have

supported Trump in 2024, but this is not Trump's base. These are persuadable, movable voters

who in many cases sort of wait close to an election to decide, you know, what they're feeling

and what they want to see from a candidate. And by the way, both these focus groups were conducted

by Engages and Sega was a partner on that. These are messaging and market research firms.

NPR is a partner on that project and we were allowed to observe both those focus groups.

And Mara, this is not a situation where you're kind of counting, okay, two people or three people said this

compared to five or six people said this last month or something, right?

It's more about really listening to the substance of what they're saying.

A focus group is not a poll.

This is statistically insignificant, just 13 voters in Georgia.

Polls tell us what voters are thinking.

We know from public polls that a majority of Americans disapprove of the Iran war. What the focus group tells us is why they are thinking

that. They explain their feelings, and we can learn a lot from these voters about why they don't

like the war. Well, let's go there then. I mean, that is the biggest news right now. How do these voters feel about the war now that we're into month two?

Well, they don't like the war, and they don't like how Donald Trump is conducting the war. And here is Natalie, for instance, she's going to tell us. She actually is a Trump supporter. She's an independent. She actually thinks the Iran war was the right thing to do. But here's what she said. And just to remind you about the ground rules, we agree to

only identify these voters by their first names. There's no clear decision making. There's no clear

policy. Oh, I might kill everyone. I might not. We might have a revolution. The current new regime, like the new Iatoia

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