He understands that for some reason, the audience, for however much this is crazy stuff and looks crazy and is crazy,

it nevertheless defaults to the strong man.

The audience loves the strong guy.

The audience, any sign of weakness, takes that away.

He maintains that illusion of strength, and it gets him through.

Not necessarily by much.

He kind of squeaks through.

But it is the thing that he learned.

It is the thing that works.

It is the thing that he continues to pursue.

Michael... it is the thing that he continues to pursue. Michael.

Joanna.

It's a year on.

It's a year on.

So many truth social posts later.

So many stories none of us can remember later and now Greenland.

How would we characterize this year? I mean, just in your own life, in our own lives,

other than a year of relentless podcasts? You're living dangerously. I would characterize it by our design, actually. I don't

know if everybody can see this, but I think this kind of, it's we're living in the fallout of

the frenzy of Donald Trump's brain, which is getting more frenzied. We are, but what's the

result of that? Where are we? So when people call you up and they call me up and they say, are we losing our democracy? What do you say?

Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like all conversations, and you never want to be a podcast that devolves to, oh, I heard this at a dinner party.

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