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The Ben Shapiro Show

THESE Are The Greatest Stories Ever Told w/ Jonathan Pageau

The Ben Shapiro Show

The Daily Wire

News Commentary, News

4.4152.4K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist, writer, and public speaker on religious philosophy, symbolism, and Orthodox Christianity. Pageau’s commentary can be found on his YouTube channel, “The Symbolic World,” as well as in Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s 17-part “Exodus” seminar and The Daily Wire’s latest series, “Foundations of the West.” In today’s flashback clip, Jonathan and I discuss the biblical themes found in classical fairy tales like “Jack and the Beanstalk,” and the important role that storytelling plays in establishing our most deeply held cultural norms. - - - Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - Today's Sponsor: ExpressVPN - Go to https://expressvpn.com/benYT and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! - - - DailyWire+: 🎄✨ DAILY WIRE CHRISTMAS SALE IS HERE! ✨🎄 🎁 https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe ⭐️ 40% Off DailyWire+ New Annual Memberships ⭐️ 50% Off DailyWire+ Annual Upgrade Memberships ⭐️ 50% Off DailyWire+ Annual Gift Memberships Finally, Friendly Fire is here! No moderator, no safe words. Now available at https://www.dailywire.com/show/friendly-fire Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53  Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ  Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd  Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Jonathan Pajot is a French-Canadian liturgical artist, writer, and public speaker on religious philosophy, symbolism, and Orthodox Christianity.

0:07.0

Pajot first rose to prominence through his popular YouTube channel, The Symbolic World, or his interpretations of mythical patterns have attracted more than 20 million viewers.

0:15.0

Pajot is also the founder of Symbolic World Press, a publishing company specializing in high-quality books which aim to revive the beauty of ancient storytelling.

0:22.8

Here at The Daily Wire, Pajos' spiritual and philosophical insights have been featured in Dr.

0:26.8

Jordan B. Peterson's 17-part Exodus seminar, as well as in Jordan's most recent series, Foundations

0:31.5

of the West.

0:32.6

In today's episode, Jonathan and I discussed the biblical themes that can be found in classical

0:36.1

fairy tales like Jack and the Beanstalk,

0:37.8

and the important role storytelling plays in establishing our most deeply held cultural norms.

0:42.6

Pazzo also speaks to the modern uses of symbolism, from the prevalence of conspiracy theories,

0:46.6

to the real meaning behind the opening ceremony at the Paris Olympics.

0:49.3

After all, as I'm fond of saying, politics is downstream from culture,

0:52.1

and that makes Jonathan Pajos' work toward the revival of traditional beauty an essential part of our politics today.

0:57.7

Stay tuned and welcome back to another episode of the Sunday special.

1:04.6

Jonathan, it's great to see you.

1:12.2

It's great to see you, Ben.

1:13.5

So let's talk about deep and fun things.

1:17.1

I spend most of my time, obviously, covering the news, covering the election, and it's not

1:22.5

particularly deep, and this year it's not particularly fun.

1:25.6

It turns out that things are very serious, and it turns out also that the news is transitory. And the thing that you work on day in and day out is the meaning and symbolism of the deepest things in the world. So that means that you're constantly talking about the Bible and symbolism. And now fairy tales, I want to start with having you talk a little bit about your work with fairy tales, because that's something that I think most people don't spend any time thinking about.

1:46.6

It's embedded deeply with the vast majority of us.

1:49.7

I mean, the minute that you say, you've written a book about Jack and the Beanstalk, that's

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