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New Prime Minister Theresa May has wasted no time in appointing her cabinet with expected and unexpected faces.

Philip Hammond replaces George Osborne as the new

Chancellor, Amber Rudd is the new home secretary, and Boris Johnson has been given a key role as

foreign secretary. With me now to discuss May's first round of cabinet appointments are Fraser Nelson

and James Forsyth and Colleen Graffey, a former senior diplomat in the Bush administration.

So, Colleen, are you surprised that Boris Johnson is going to be Foreign Secretary? Well, I was shocked, but on the

other hand, also delighted because Americans love him. And of course, we all are aware he's also

an American citizen. And he is particularly

attractive combination of being a politician, but who speaks both eloquently and

knowledgeably, but different from any politician in America. So I think that he will be attractive

in articulating things that are important to the United States now

on foreign policy. And would he be able to deal with Trump or Clinton? I think he could handle

both of them at the same time. Fraser, do you think this is a smart political appointment by Theresa May?

Right now, the big problem that I foresaw with the Theresa May government was a Brexit would end up being defined by its enemies, defined by people like Theresa May and Philip Hammond who campaigned against it, who saw it as an essentially negative development. But now it's going to be defined by a foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, who wonderfully gave this optimistic, upbeat vision of Brexit, who was telling Britain

and will now tell the world that this was not a cry for a little England, this was a cry to

break free off a little Europe, that Brexit is about the desire to make new friends, to reinforce

friendships like we have with America, like we have with New Zealand, Australia,

all the corners of the world. Now, the role of Foreign Secretary is basically a salesman's role.

It's about giving speeches. Who gives better speeches than Boris Johnson? I mean, you might not

want Boris Johnson running the NHS. You might not want him running the police, but you would want

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