There’s no such thing as revenge porn

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KERA

Kera, 071003, Think, Society & Culture, Krysboyd

4.7 • 911 Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Terms like “revenge porn” have a way of pasting over what’s really happening – a crime. First, Jasmine Mithani of The 19th News joins host Krys Boyd to discuss the damaging effect of labeling all sexually explicit images as “porn” – and how victim advocates are working to rebrand these terms. Her article is “They’re crimes — so why do we keep calling them ‘porn’?” Then, Hollie Toups, a victim of pictures shared without her consent, shares her experience working to pass the TAKE IT DOWN ACT in congress. Her article is, “I was the victim of revenge porn. Congress can protect people like me“

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0:00.0	Although reasonable people might disagree over whether porn makes the world a better place, the Supreme Court has made it clear that adults are allowed to access sexually explicit content if they want. What nobody has a right
0:22.4	to make or to view, though, is content that was created or spread without the subject's
0:27.5	permission or that exists because someone else experienced sexual abuse. To put it bluntly,
0:33.7	revenge porn and child porn are not pornography at all. They're not entertainment. They are exploitation.
0:41.3	From KERA in Dallas, this is Think. I'm Chris Boyd. Changing the language around this stuff
0:47.3	might seem less urgent than catching the people creating and spreading abusive content.
0:51.9	But my guest notes that the language we have to talk about
0:55.2	these things can shape how we feel about the people involved. Jasmine Matani is a reporter for the
1:01.1	19th, which published her article, their crimes. So why do we keep calling them porn? Jasmine,
1:06.6	welcome to think. Thanks for having me. Just to start with the very basics here, for something to count as pornography, which is a form of entertainment, it has to be consensual, right? All parties involved in its creation have to be on board.
1:21.7	That's absolutely correct. Okay. And the Supreme Court has ruled multiple times over the years that consensual adult
1:29.3	entertainment is protected under the Constitution. Yes. There's really only two exceptions,
1:34.9	and that is obscenity, which there's a really specific narrow definition for. And also,
1:41.0	you know, child pornography is not protected because that is a crime.
1:45.0	One place that things can get complicated is that you could have two nearly identical, sexually explicit images of adults.
1:54.0	If one is produced and distributed with the subject's permission, it's 100% legal, but the other is evidence of a sexual crime.
2:02.5	Yes, and I think there's also some nuance here because there's also images that were originally
2:08.7	taken consensually, but then are being disseminated non-consensually. So, for instance, if someone
2:14.9	takes a nude photograph of themselves, sends it to a partner,
2:19.8	it is meant to be private, and then that partner betrays that trust and shares it,
2:24.7	that is also a crime now in nearly all states.
2:29.1	I think there's only one state that doesn't consider that a crime.
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