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Deadline: White House

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Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Msnbc, News, Ms Now, Versant, Politics, Government, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace discusses the ongoing fallout over the newest Epstein release that shows multiple mentions of Donald Trump and the escalation in ICE protests in Chicago.

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0:00.0

Mr. President, on Jeffrey Epstein, thank you very much.

0:05.0

Thank you very much.

0:06.0

Mr. President, can you respond to these Epstein emails that were released today?

0:10.0

Well done, Mr. President.

0:13.0

It must have been the audio.

0:16.0

Hi again, everybody. It's now 5 o'clock in New York. The tangled knot of Donald Trump's

0:21.7

competing positions or postures on the release of the Jeffrey Epstein documents in the government's

0:27.3

possession can be difficult to track with. So think of it like this. There are two Donald Trump's.

0:33.7

God help us. The public one and the behind closed doors one. The public one spent his day posting on social media about what he has now branded the, quote, Epstein hoax, actually being the, quote, Democrats problem. And he said he would be asking the Justice Department to investigate people he says were somehow involved, including Bill Clinton.

0:55.8

But where this particular version of Donald Trump projects aggressive transparency, the other one,

1:02.4

the private Donald Trump, is in the midst of what one White House official described to MSNBC

1:07.0

as a, quote, losing battle with Republican lawmakers. With the vote on the release of the

1:12.4

Epstein files expected next week, that official said it's likely that Trump aides will meet

1:17.4

with House Republicans to try to convince them to vote against the legislation, reflecting the

1:22.6

same strategy, failingly employed in the lead-up to the discharge petition.

1:28.0

Perhaps it's a losing battle because Republicans recognize the political reality of the moment

1:32.8

that what Trump wants and what the MAGA base their constituents want are now completely different.

1:39.7

Here's Republican Senator John Kennedy.

1:43.3

My people want to know who else, if anyone, did Epstein traffic young women too?

1:52.0

And if they were punished, how were they punished?

1:56.1

And if they weren't punished, why?

1:57.9

I just don't think this issue is going to go away until that issue is

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