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Women at Work

There’s More to Gender Than “Man” and “Woman”

Women at Work

Harvard Business Review

Business, Business/careers, Workplace, Business/entrepreneurship, Resources, Harvard, Management, Equality, Progress, Gender, Business/management, Careers, Women, Entrepreneurship, Human, Hbr

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 27 May 2019

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Thinking of gender as man/woman and masculine/feminine leaves out a lot of people. We talk about the problems the gender binary causes at work and get advice on how to support transgender and nonbinary colleagues. Guest: Lily Zheng. Our theme music is Matt Hill’s “City In Motion,” provided by Audio Network.

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0:00.0

Harvard Business School Executive Education develops leaders who make a difference in the world.

0:06.0

In their programs, experience the power of fresh perspectives and connect with a world of new ideas.

0:13.0

Learn more at HBS. Me slash work.

0:17.0

That's HBS.

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M.E. slash work.

0:23.0

You're listening to Women at Work from Harvard Business Review.

0:29.0

I'm Amy Galo.

0:33.4

I'm Nicole Torres.

0:34.5

And I'm Amy Bernstein.

0:36.3

On our podcast, we talk a lot about gender bias

0:38.9

and how it affects women's experiences at work.

0:42.0

But what about people who don't present as the gender they were

0:44.6

assigned at birth or who dress and act more feminine some days and other days more

0:48.8

masculine? Research shows that people who don't conform to the gender binary struggle.

0:54.4

They are often treated poorly by their managers or HR and are even shut out of the workforce altogether.

1:01.2

And yet more and more people are expressing their authentic gender identity at work.

1:05.8

And by challenging the traditional norms, they are also challenging gender bias.

1:10.1

We draw on these boxes for stereotypes. And so if I know that I treat men one way

1:14.6

and I treat women another way,

1:15.8

how do I treat you who's non-binary?

1:18.4

How do I treat this person who's a gender

1:20.1

that I've never even heard of?

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