My name is Stan. I'm at. Nice to meet you. So you took up photography where? I've always loved

photography but I turn it into earning a living at 60. I enrolled on a day course.

Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, thanks for having me. It's great. Well, writing a book, I know, is hard

enough even if you're not in the Shadow Cabinet at the same time and

you don't you don't do it unless you feel really driven to what was the compulsion here

it really came out of a really awful episode in Wigan when our football club Wigan Athletic

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