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Last week, a lawyer for the Trump Department of Justice stunned a panel of Ninth Circuit judges

when she argued that it is safe and sanitary to confine immigrant children in facilities without soap,

toothbrushes, and to make them sleep on concrete floors under bright lights with nothing

but aluminum blankets to shield them.

The woman who made this astonishing statement is Sarah Fabian.

She is the senior attorney in the DOJ's Office of Immigration Litigation. In this episode, we are going to

talk about Flores v. Reno, the case that sets out the government's duty to immigrant kids in their

custody, including what it means to require that children be housed in, quote, safe and sanitary

conditions. And we're also going to explain

why the Trump administration is so intent on undoing Flores v. Reno and what it means if they

are successful. Here's a hint. They could continue caging children like animals, for starters,

and continue holding them in concentration camp-like conditions.

It's true.

It's within everybody's common understanding that, you know, if you don't have a toothbrush,

if you don't have soap, if you don't have a blanket it's not safe and

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