We had people in our church who could tell you exactly what they thought about

whether you should baptize infants or believers.

People who could tell you exactly what they thought about what style of

worship we should be using and people who could tell you exactly what they thought about who you should vote for in the next presidential election.

But they were functional heretics in many senses when it came to Orthodox belief. Welcome to Family Life Today,

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So on my very first road trip with the Detroit Lions as their chaplain, it was a pre-season game at Seattle, so a long flight to Seattle. We're flying back into Detroit after I think we won, but who cares?

This preseason didn't matter. But no, I'm not kidding. We were probably 30, 40 minutes out from Detroit and our plane gets hit by lightning.

Oh my goodness. Never had that happen. My dad's an airline pilot never, you know, and something just jarred the plane and the pilot came on because when you're on a you know

charter plane it's like you're talking to each other he goes hey just to let you know

We were hit by lightning and it could happen again and all of a sudden all these guys around me start yelling at me

Pastor chaplain you gotta pray

You know they're you're literally yelling out they wanted me to pray out loud. And I thought it was so interesting that they

turned to me. Because I'm like, and I sort of look at them like, why would you, and they're

like you're closer to God than we are because you're a chaplain you're a pastor and I remember

thinking am I any closer than anybody else?

That's an interesting point.

I mean the question is aren't we all pastors aren't we all today we're gonna find out we have two

authors that wrote a book that says we are all theologians called you are theologian and it's by Jen Wilkin and I didn't know this is your

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