Hey everyone, David Kern here. Before we get to this week's episode, I just want to tell you about the

SIRC Institute Atrium Program. It's a one-year program that explores the foundations of Christian

classical education with online classes and discussions. The Atrium now features five different

courses, and participants can choose any one course or sign up for multiple courses. These

courses include our very own Heidi White, our very own hero, here on Close Reeds,

talking about classical pedagogy.

And then we've got Andrew Kern talking about classical rhetoric,

Matthew Bianco talking about Plato's Republic.

And then from West Callahan, you can choose either the Divine Comedy or the Iliad.

So there are great options for anybody who wants to dig into any of these subjects. If you'd like to learn more,

head over to surcey institute.com slash atrium. Again, that's surcey institute.com slash atrium.

And once again, those courses are Heidi Wade and classical pedagogy, Andrew Kern and classical rhetoric, Matthew Bianco on Plato's Republic, or West Callahan on The Divine Comedy or the Iliad.

One more time, that link is surcyyinstitute.com slash atrium.

And with that, let's get you this week's conversation.

Hello, I'm David Kern. I'm Heidi White. And I'm Tim McIntosh. And you were listening to

Closerie, the podcast for the incurable reader on which Tim McIntosh makes faces while you're

trying to talk. And also, on which it was a nostril flare I would describe it as.

It is exactly what it was.

And this is also a podcast besides a podcast that Tim McIntosh makes nostril flares at his friends.

It is also a podcast on which Tim, his nostril flares, and his friends all talk about

Zora and Neil Hurstons, their eyes are watching God. In particular, this week, the nostril

flares and those three friends will be discussing the final three chapters of their eyes were watching

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