The Xinjiang camps on Clubhouse
Sinica Podcast
Kaiser Kuo
4.8 • 676 Ratings
🗓️ 11 February 2021
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
This week on Sinica, Kaiser and Jeremy chat with three of the guests in a remarkable room on the drop-in voice chat app Clubhouse, which ran for 14 hours on Saturday, February 6. The room, called “Is there a concentration camp in Xinjiang?,” brought thousands of listeners from China and around the world to talk about the ongoing extralegal internment of Uyghurs and other Muslims in Xinjiang. We spoke with the Han Chinese filmmaker who started the room (and wishes to remain anonymous); one of the main moderators, the journalist Muyi Xiao of the New York Times; and Rayhan Asat, a Uyghur attorney in the U.S. whose brother, a successful tech entrepreneur, has been put in the camps and has been incommunicado for three years.
Recommendations:
Jeremy: The Ministry for the Future: A Novel, by Kim Stanley Robinson.
Rayhan: The Queen’s Gambit, available on Netflix.
Muyi: A type of Wuhan hot dry noodle: 想念武汉热干面 (xiǎngniàn wǔhàn règānmiàn), available for purchase on Yamibuy.
L: The 2012 film No, directed by Pablo Larraín.
Kaiser: The book Land of Big Numbers: Stories, by Te-Ping Chen.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Cynica podcast, a weekly discussion of current affairs in China, produced in partnership with SubChina. |
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| 0:34.2 | about a nation that is reshaping the world. I'm Kaiser Guo, coming to you today from my home in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. |
| 0:40.8 | Joining me from Nashville, Tennessee, is the star of films like The Man with a Golden Corn, |
| 0:46.0 | Goldcorn Finger, and of course, Goldcorn Eye, Mr. Diumi, aka Jeremy Goldcorn, |
| 0:51.8 | and the man to bet on to make his grand return and be the next bond in the franchise after Daniel Craig finally hangs up his hat. |
| 0:59.6 | Jeremy greet the people. |
| 1:01.3 | Hi, people. |
| 1:02.4 | They're not actually going to make another bond film because they're going to delay. |
| 1:05.2 | I think they delayed this one that was supposed to come out a year ago until the end of the pandemic. |
| 1:10.8 | So that's going to be in |
| 1:11.7 | 27. I'll be too old. I'm guessing this is your fault. You were just like holding out for more money. |
| 1:18.1 | Is that what it was? That's right. That's right. You and your filthy love of lucre. Okay. |
| 1:22.7 | That's right. Yeah. Around 1230 in the, to get very serious now, around 1230 in the early afternoon of February 6th, I picked up my phone, as I've done most mornings the last couple of weeks, and started scrolling through rooms on that app that by now everybody has heard about Clubhouse. For a couple of days, we'd been hearing about the influx of many Chinese users, and I'd seen some remarkable rooms, |
| 1:45.1 | you know, about Taiwan and cross-strait relations, about Hong Kong, and about all sorts of other |
| 1:50.3 | China-related issues of the sort that Jeremy and I, presumably, listeners to our show, also |
| 1:54.1 | tend to really, you know, care a lot about. And then I saw a room entitled, |
| 2:00.1 | Xinjiang-you-go-e-jong-yungjiang with a question mark at the end. |
| 2:03.6 | And that literally means, for those of you don't speak Chinese, |
| 2:05.9 | does Xinjiang have a concentration camp? |
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