Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

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So that that's the age they make up their mind. That's the correct stairs. I'm working on basically do whatever we want to. But she's going to get a beating. The girl's dying stairs know that this is going to be a big deal.

But they think it's quite funny by the way. But the bottom line is that is the last time that on Marie Smith is seen by most of the people dying stairs.

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Today on Small Town Dicks we have the usual suspects. We have Detective Dan. Hello everyone. Hello, Dan. He's looking to be like I'm a dope. And we have Detective Dave. Great to be back.

He's great to see you. And Small Town FAM. I hope you're sitting down because we have once again crossed the pole because I'm in Los Angeles and popped on over to Northern Ireland to welcome a new guest to the podcast. Retired Detective Sam.

Good afternoon from Northern Ireland on a bright and sunny day, which is unusual. It is. We are so, so thrilled to have you. And we're meeting by Zoom. In that case, you may hear signs of life like lapping dogs, mowing cats, garbage trucks, who knows? You know the drill. All right, Sam. I'm just going to hand it over to you.

Tell us how this case came to you. Okay, so first of all, can I say thank you very much for having me and giving me this opportunity. I do listen to the podcast and I find it extremely interesting. Thank you.

I'm going to give a bit of background about myself first so that that sort of sets the same. Perfect. So I first joined the police in Northern Ireland in 1976 as a part time officer.

And it was really to assess the local police and dealing with local issues in the area in which you lived. In 1970, they joined the regular force, which was at that time the Royal Ulster Constabulary. And I'm very biased and loyal to that force.

I did a total of 28 years in that force 24 years of which I spent as a detective in various guys is I interviewed around cases on those promotion came. I was in charge of various different units.

Combating ordinary crime, terrorist crime, you basically name it. We were sort of jack of all trades, probably as they say master of none.

So growing up in Northern Ireland for those of you who don't know and I would dare say a lot of people, especially in the US and then sort of the wider world. Northern Ireland is a very, very small country.

At this minute in time, I think the population is 1.75 million from 1968 until 1990 it we unfortunately were involved in a strife here as it's been described. Some people have described it as a war, but it was a religious war.

And it was a war where we had two sides vying for the upper hand in that one side wanted us to leave Great Britain and become part of a united Ireland.

And the other side wanted to remain as part of Great Britain. So what we have on one side, we have the Republicans who wanted to be a part of Ireland.

And the other side we had the loyalists who were mostly Protestant and they wanted to remain part of the united kingdom.

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