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Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?

You guys, this is an exciting day, and are you a Charlotte?

Because Cindy Shubach is here.

We have been waiting, so excited for you to come.

Cindy came to be on the show as a writer originally. She's going to tell us all about it in 1999, many years ago. And you and Jenny then,

in my mind, became like this super powerhouse pair who really, like, took the reins of the female voice.

You know, people would sometimes complain thinking we only had male writers because Darren was

so out front and then Michael Patrick. But really, we always had you guys in my mind, you know,

and you really had such a really incredible input in terms of like your own stories.

And, you know, like for Charlotte, some of them were just like so important from both you and Jenny.

And like for me, when I think of the show that that really, you know, was the heart and the soul and the foundation of like where our characters got to go

and deepen into. So we're super excited to have you. Yes. I mean, it's funny because Michael,

to me, Michael could write anybody and we could write. Of course. And I know you don't mean that,

but yeah, Jenny was actually a friend I had made before I came aboard the show. Oh, I didn't know this. And I was working on Everybody Loves Raymond. Well, I didn't remember this either. This is a big thing because it was sort of like I had an affair with sex in the city because I had been working with a writing partner for like seven years. And on the side, I used to write these columns, like once a year, this thing about dating for glamour.

Wow. working with a writing partner for like seven years. And on the side, I used to write these columns

like once a year, this thing about dating for a glamour. And then I can never use as a samples

because when you're working with a partner, you have to do things you did together. And I was

working, she had kids already. So we had been on all sorts of shows that weren't at all about

what I was living.

Interesting.

And we were finally at a point where we were going to separate. And Phil Rothenthal, who ran Everybody Lives Raymond, let us each write an episode. So I had my own episode of Everybody Lives Raymond. And then I was going to write a spec. And Sex and the City had just started. It was in season one. And I knew Jenny was working on it. and I told her I was going to write a spec,

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