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The Brian Lehrer Show

The Worst Measles Outbreak in 20 Years

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Apoorva Mandavilli discusses how 2025 became the worst year for measles in the United States in more than two decades and how the country might lose its "elimination status."

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Lairn Show.

0:12.3

I'm producer Amina Serna, filling in for Brian today.

0:15.7

Good morning again, everyone.

0:17.6

Now we're going to take a look at the biggest measles outbreak in the United States in more than 20 years.

0:24.6

For decades, the U.S. has held what's known as measles elimination status.

0:29.6

That designation was granted in 2000, and it doesn't mean measles disappeared entirely.

0:35.6

It just means the virus wasn't spreading

0:38.6

continuously in the country for more than one year. But that status might be in jeopardy.

0:44.7

Over the past year, over 2,200 people have been infected and three people have died. Those are the

0:52.3

first measles deaths in the United States in a decade.

0:57.4

This resurgence comes amid several overlapping shifts. Childhood vaccination rates have fallen

1:03.5

nationwide since the pandemic, driven in part by rising vaccine skepticism. At the same time,

1:10.0

the federal government has cut billions of dollars

1:12.2

in public health funding used to track infectious diseases and respond to outbreaks. And earlier this

1:18.7

month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced major changes to the childhood

1:25.0

vaccination schedule, reducing the number of routine vaccines from

1:29.8

17 to 11. Apora Mandelavi covers science and global health for the New York Times, and she's

1:38.8

joining us now to help understand this current measles outbreak and how we got here. Welcome to WMIC, Apurva. Always a

1:47.1

pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. First, can you tell us about how bad this past year

1:52.0

has been compared to previous years? How many more cases are we seeing? We've seen so many more cases

1:58.3

than we normally do. As you mentioned, there have been 2,200 cases in

2:01.9

2025, and that's the most cases we'd seen in about 30 years since the 1990s. And so that in

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