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colleague, Jonathan Cohn. We're going to discuss the, I think he's the wackiest cabinet

secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., but Jonathan's been writing terrifically about health care

and policy in general, health care in particular,

maybe Robert Kennedy, a fair amount on his newsletter, the breakdown, which you need to be

subscribing to.

We can also go to the website and read the latest, very good one on Governor Whitmer of Michigan

and the dilemmas of opposing Trump, but governing your state while he's president, right?

That's something she's really grappling with, it seems like.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, it's a tough call.

I mean, people may remember she was in the news this week because of this visit to an Air Force base and there's all these jobs tied up with it.

She wants to appear there.

She worked hard to get him to get this agreement to bring the jobs. But now she's, you know, standing alongside Trump and she opposes all these other things he's doing. And yeah, I mean,

it's a, you know, it's a version of the dilemma that university presidents face law firms, you know, you know,

when you're the governor, you know, there's a pretty high stakes.

And so, you know, I, you know, I do.

I think it's a genuinely tough, tough situation.

It's an interesting newslet, a good, good corrective slightly to my impatience with the standing next to Trump

and a little more wishing for a little more Janet Mills, you know, standing up to him. But it's different when you've got to actually, you do have to work with the federal government, obviously, if you're responsible for the citizen's your state. Anyway, we're going to talk about HHS today, Department of Health and Human Services. its secretary, cabinet secretary, Robert F. Kennedy,

Jr. I thought we could, we'll get to Kennedy personally, who's genuinely, it's kind of extraordinary

in my view that he's an HHS secretary, as it is, I think, in yours, but we'll get to that

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