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And we're on. In today's guess we've got the legend who is David Ike.

First of all David I just want to say, thanks for coming to show and giving me your time man I appreciate it no problem you're a very busy man.

Well thank goodness really because when I started out on this journey 30 years ago, you know, there weren't a lot of people who were interested in talking about these subjects and it was a very lonely road then.

But now, as you say, it's finding time to talk to all the people that want to discuss this stuff.

So we have made progress, much as the world needs to make a lot more we have made

progress in terms of people and now now more open to looking at things that they would have waved away by reflex action before

so it's all good.

Yeah good and we'll touch on that.

30 years ago you made a decision to speak openly about the things that you believed in, which takes massive courage,

so massive respect for that, and I think people don't understand that to believe in something

that no one else understands or to research things that people don't

understand you are called crazy and you've says it yourself you are ridiculed and we'll

go right back to the start of your life how it started where you were brought up and

how you get involved in the stuff you're involved

and now? Gold. How long have you got? I was born on a council estate in Leicester

when my brother still lives in the same house in

1952 and we were skinned but you know it's a funny thing we were skinned

and things were incredibly We were

incredibly tight, but I never felt deprived, you know, you made your own fun and stuff.

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