meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Throughline

The World Cup was supposed to bring world peace

Throughline

NPR

History, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.616.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2026

⏱️ 52 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

World Cup tickets are going for as high as $45,000. Not in most of our budgets. How did things get so out of hand when the tournament's founder intended to bridge class divides? Today on the show, the origins of the World Cup, from World War I to Mussolini’s fascist Italy, and how it grew into the multibillion-dollar spectacle the world is gearing up to watch.

Guests:

Jonathan Wilson, columnist at The Guardian and author of The Power and the Glory: A New History of the World Cup

Simon Kuper, columnist at the Financial Times and author of World Cup Fever

Support shows like Throughline with NPR+. Sign up today at plus.npr.org

See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.

NPR Privacy Policy

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

In 1930, an ocean liner called the Conte Verde set sail from Genoa.

0:18.0

The final destination, Montevideo, Uruguay. Three soccer teams are aboard the ship,

0:24.8

one from Romania, another from Belgium, and the third from France, along with some referees.

0:32.7

For nearly two weeks, they journey across the sea. In close quarters, everyone sort of sizing each

0:39.5

other up, because when they make landfall in Uruguay, they'll be competing against each other

0:45.3

in the first ever World Cup. The French start training really early in the morning, so they

0:52.2

don't disturb the other passengers, running around the deck, running up and down stairs, you can sort of pull up some pipes.

0:57.7

And then the Romanian see them doing this thing, hang on, maybe we should be doing some of that as well.

1:04.2

But they also have a lot of free time.

1:07.1

And sometimes they just hang out.

1:09.3

They have dance contests.

1:12.6

It was like a holiday camp. We were young men having fun.

1:14.6

And there's one man on the ship, watching it all with deep satisfaction.

1:18.6

This very dapper man with silver hair, very careful mustache.

1:23.6

He's not a player, not a ref.

1:25.6

He's the guy who came up with this whole idea for a World Cup.

1:30.1

And in his suitcase is a statue 30 centimeters high weighing four kilograms, the new World Cup

1:36.8

trophy. His name, Jules Ramei. And for him, there's a lot more than just soccer writing on this inaugural tournament.

1:47.0

The main thing is peace. We need peace. Soccer can bring peace.

1:50.5

He had big dreams for the World Cup, believing it could bring together countries from around the world,

1:56.4

people who might otherwise have nothing in common, at least for a hundred years. Nearly a hundred years after that ship set sail to Uruguay.

2:32.3

Here we are getting ready for the 23rd World Cup. The U.S., Mexico,

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 27 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from NPR, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of NPR and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.