Welcome back to the podcast, bribes, swindle, or steel. I'm Alexandra Rogge, and on today's

podcast, we have a short and lively summary of the work of the World Bank's Integrity Vice Presidency,

or INT, including investigations, prevention, and the group's work with the private sector by Pascal Dubois.

Pascal has been the World Bank Group's Integrity Vice President since July 2017.

Thank you very much. I'm delighted to be here.

A little bit about the World Bank first, so we're an international organization.

We basically represent every country in the world,

and our goal is to alleviate extreme poverty.

What that means is that we lend money to countries

so that the countries can improve the standard of living

of the people within their countries.

And so my unit, the Integrity Vice Presidency, has been set up about 20 years ago

to investigate allegations of fraud and corruption in a contract that was financed by the World Bank.

So I'd give you an example.

We'll lend, say, $200 million to Kenya for Kenya to build roads. Even those government contracts,

the contracts between Kenya and contractors, could be all over the world, if in those contracts

is fraud and corruption, then the World Bank has jurisdiction. In INT, so Integrity Vice Presidency,

we investigate staff of the World Bank.

We have about, on average, 22 open staff investigations out of about 16,000 staff, that's,

I think, a pretty good average, but it's going to happen.

In every organization, you have some people that go the wrong way, and so you have to have

a system to investigate, and that's what we do, and so you have to have a system to investigate,

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