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Death, Sex & Money

The Women Who Made George Saunders A Wife Guy

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Audio

Careers, Sexuality, Business, Health & Fitness, Relationships, Society & Culture

4.67.7K Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Growing up, George Saunders was the eldest boy with younger sisters, in a family full of women who gave him praise and special treatment. That created the confidence that fueled his ambition to become a great writer. 

In this lively interview, George talks about why that dream took decades to realize and what was essential to making it happen – including a karmic, three-week romance, a pivotal trip to the Afghanistan border during the Soviet war, and witnessing a “colossal fuck up” working in the oil fields of Indonesia.  

George’s newest novel, “Vigil,” is out now and his substack is called Story Club.

Podcast production by Andrew Dunn.

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0:00.0

Unconditional love, something we all yearn for, though not all of us in the end deserve it.

0:08.0

George Saunders' new novel Vigil is about how to account for this at the end of a life.

0:14.9

Saunders, of course, is a titan of contemporary fiction, who has come to function as a kind of public

0:20.1

guru on the craft of writing

0:22.1

and living. And in this latest work, he asks us, what's all this for? The story is a little

0:29.6

like a Christmas carol. There's a kindly woman angel who shows up at the deathbed of a fossil

0:35.1

fuel executive, intent on comforting him while his end

0:39.3

comes, and then whisks him through moments in his past, which makes us, the readers, ask,

0:45.3

how much loving comfort has this guy really earned?

0:49.3

And the way he takes us through that question is quintessential Saunders, inventive, funny, more than a little

0:56.3

weird, while also feeling totally rooted in details of everyday life. This is what I love about

1:04.0

George Saunders writing, this mix of big creative swings alongside an attentive appreciation for the mundane.

1:13.6

That's also how you could describe George Sonders' life. He also worked in oil exploration.

1:20.6

It was one of his first jobs out of college. He was born in Texas and grew up in a suburb of Chicago.

1:25.6

He considered playing with his high school band after graduation, but instead studied mining engineering at the Colorado School of Mines and worked a series of jobs, including in Indonesian oil fields, before going to Syracuse to get his MFA.

1:41.5

He's 67 now and has taught at Syracuse's prestigious writing program for nearly

1:47.8

three decades. But before that, during early marriage and fatherhood, there were years of working

1:55.2

to earn money at a day job to support his wife and kids. And as we talk about in this episode,

2:02.8

years of not knowing whether his big artistic ambitions would ever get expressed.

2:07.9

To suddenly go, oh, oh, okay, so I understand now why certain people I know are miserable,

2:14.0

are bitter, are drinking. I understand why people go off the rail sometimes because the system doesn't really

2:19.3

give a shit.

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