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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio

in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, DC

and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello there and welcome to a special edition of the podcast.

One of our conversations with noted authors were extremely fortunate to have with us today

Karen Tumblety, who is well-known columnist for the Washington Post

and is the author of a great new book called The Triumph of Nancy Reagan,

which I enjoyed reading immensely.

So first of all, congratulations because it is a wonderful book, Karen.

Thank you, thank you.

You know, she's a very controversial figure and people sort of,

I think they made up their minds about her a long time ago.

I just found her endlessly complex and fascinating.

Well, you know, one of the things about the book,

and we can get into the her impact on the presidency and so forth in a little bit,

but one of the things that really struck me,

and you captured this so well, was that it was a kind of a bridge to another era,

the beginning of the book, the story of her mother and her mother's life as an actress

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