Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Getting Hammered.

I am your host, Mary Catherine Ham, and we are departing from our normal format just a little bit on this special week

because I get to welcome one of my favorite,

and this is a compliment, loudmouthed ladies, onto the program.

That is a compliment.

Yes, exactly.

I'm welcoming Jennifer Say.

I have known her for a bit as an online buddy who was at the forefront of the fights against

COVID restrictions and school closures and I appreciated her voice so much.

And then as I got to know her, I realized later, oh, she's this really big deal at Levi's.

I did not know when I first started tweeting with her, but now she has

written a book called Levi's Unbuttoned. The woke mob took my job, but gave me my voice. So I want

to unpack all of that with you, Jennifer. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, MK. It's so

nice to finally actually kind of meet you for real.

It's interesting if I could just comment on what you just said is I can't even tell you how many people have said just that to me.

We had no idea that not only you worked at Levi's, but that you had this really big job there.

And it's ironic, which is a nice way to say it because

of course the reason I got pushed out of the company is because I was saying these things that

were considered unacceptable as this is according to the powers that be inside as the president of

Levi's and yet no one really knew I didn, I didn't have it in my bio. I

didn't talk about it. I didn't, you know, presume to present myself as the president of Levi's are

speaking on behalf of Levi's. And so that just makes the whole thing even dumber. Oh, and it is dumb. So just to give people the background, you were at the time,

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