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Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

The Witching Hour with Dianna E Anderson

Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

News, Arts, Performing Arts, Business, Society & Culture, Politics

4.6 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 January 2019

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Have you ever cancelled a celebrity? Do you believe you can separate the art from the artist? Do Twitter arguments and trending hashtags matter in the real world? This week Dianna Anderson (@diannaeanderson) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to answer all these questions and more. In her new book, Problematic: How Toxic Callout Culture is Destroying Feminism, Dianna Anderson ponders the strive towards perfectionism in the feminist movement and the positive and negative implications of that struggle, as it seeps into mainstream culture. Together, Ana and Dianna talk about what it means to be called out, what it’s like to experience it, and where to go from there. Thanks to our sponsors! Ritual’s Essentials have the nutrients most of us don’t get enough of from our diets—all in their purest, cleanest forms. No shady additives or ingredients that actually do more harm to your body than good. Better health doesn’t happen overnight. Start your year with Essential for Women—a small step that helps create a healthy foundation for 2019, and beyond. Visit ritual.com/FRIENDS to start your ritual today. The experts at Framebridge will custom frame your item and deliver your finished piece directly to your door, ready to hang. Instead of the hundreds you’d pay at a framing store, their prices start at $39 and ALL shipping is FREE. Go toFramebridge.com and use promo code FRIENDS to save an additional 15% off your first order. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter finds qualified candidates FOR you.Its powerful matching technology… scans thousands of resumes to identify people with the right skills, education, and experience — and actively invites them to apply to your job — so you get qualified candidates fast. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at this exclusive web address: ZipRecruiter.com/friends.

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0:00.0

I'm glad to be here.

0:08.3

Diana Anderson is a freelance journalist, an author and activist in women's issues.

0:13.3

She has written a bunch of different things, including for places like Cosmopolitan Rolling

0:17.4

Stone, Establishment and Vice.

0:19.0

Her first book is Damage Good's new perspective on Christian purity, but we are here to discuss

0:24.5

a very timely topic.

0:27.0

The name of the book is problematic how toxic culture is destroying feminism.

0:32.6

So this ought to be good.

0:34.8

Yeah.

0:35.8

Now, usually I'm pretty happy when we're not like immediately like pegged to the news cycle,

0:42.6

but this interview happens to be taking place the same week that David Brooks used his

0:46.7

op-ed column to opine about his issues with callout culture, which if I may summarize

0:53.2

and I am not exaggerating, essentially led him to believe that callout culture divides

1:00.7

us into binary groups, which will lead to things like the Rwanda genocide.

1:06.5

He's the one who brought up the Rwanda genocide.

1:09.0

Yeah, that's one of those, like he went to the exact extreme that I don't think is justified.

1:17.3

Okay.

1:19.0

What I would like you to do maybe be helpful is give a definition of callout culture.

1:25.3

And then maybe we can talk about just where your theory might lie short of Rwanda genocide.

1:33.4

So what is your definition of callout culture?

1:35.3

Yeah.

1:36.3

Callout culture is when somebody who is often in a prominent position, either in feminism

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