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To the Point

The Winter Games and Korean detente

To the Point

KCRW

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4.4583 Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2018

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Americans have a lot to learn about North Korea. The conversation shouldn’t be only about nuclear weapons or handshakes.

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0:00.0

North Korea's Kim Jong-un has bid for a diplomatic gold medal at the Winter Olympics in South Korea.

0:11.8

The main segment of today's podcast is about the possible consequences for the two Koreas

0:16.8

and the exchange of nuclear threats between Kim Jong-un and President Trump.

0:22.1

First, we'll touch base with Steve Kahl.

0:24.9

He's dean of the Columbia Journalism School staff writer for the New Yorker.

0:28.6

His 25 years of reporting have made him a leading authority on America's longest war,

0:33.9

the conflict in Afghanistan.

0:36.3

He won a Pulitzer Prize for his book, Ghost Wars, and he's on tour

0:39.7

with the sequel. I asked him what's one question he anticipated, but that nobody has asked.

0:48.2

Well, I think why did the Obama administration struggle with this war so badly is really at the heart of a good

0:57.9

part of the narrative?

0:59.2

And it's a complicated subject, I think an important one, because it's part of the

1:04.7

Obama administration's legacy that hasn't really received as much attention as it might.

1:10.5

You know, the president's foreign policy

1:12.0

record, you know, includes achievements like the Iran nuclear accord and the reversal of

1:18.5

decades of policy toward Cuba, but it also includes this mess in Afghanistan and also, you know,

1:26.0

in Syria. And I think the story of how this Nobel Peace Prize

1:32.2

winning president inherited a war, escalated a war, and then left a muddle behind is important.

1:40.0

It doesn't, you know, blot out the legacy of Barack Obama as president.

1:46.8

But the story of how it happened is a cautionary lesson, I think, for future presidents

1:51.2

and one that still informs our struggle in Afghanistan today.

1:59.0

You say he inherited the war, but he also inherited the mess, did he not?

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