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The Briefing Room

The Windsor Framework

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

David Aaronovitch and guests take a deep dive into the Windsor Framework. The original protocol was deemed unworkable but does this new deal solve Northern Ireland's trading arrangements?

Guests:

Peter Foster, FT’s public policy editor & editor of the newsletter “Britain After Brexit” Anand Menon, director at UK in a Changing Europe Sam McBride, Northern Ireland Editor of the Belfast Telegraph & Sunday Independent Jill Rutter, Senior Fellow at the Institute For Government

Produced by: Kirsteen Knight, Daniel Gordon and Ben Carter Edited by: Richard Vadon Sound engineer: Rod Farquhar Production co-ordinators: Sophie Hill and Siobhan Reed

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:06.4

I'm David O'Ronovich. Welcome to the briefing room, the audio mind space where you, me, and top experts come together and inside 28 minutes wrangle a big issue.

0:16.6

On Monday, the Northern Ireland Protocol was slated to be ditched and the Winds of Framework

0:22.4

appeared and Brexit was declared done.

0:25.6

But now the experts have had a chance to examine it what's actually in the framework

0:30.4

and are all our problems solved.

0:44.1

Brexit? Brexit created huge problems for Northern Ireland,

0:47.3

problems which were supposed to be solved by the protocol agreed between Boris Johnson's government and the EU.

0:51.1

But it turned out that the protocol was creating new problems. On Monday, these were declared

0:56.8

solved by Rishi Sunak and the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen,

1:02.1

when they presented the Windsor framework, and declared not solved by Boris Johnson earlier

1:07.9

today. So, what's in the framework? Can it work? And does it mean Brexit is,

1:14.9

as is being claimed, finally done? Step into the briefing room and together we'll find out.

1:25.7

This task sounds challenging, so I've called on four briefing room regulars to help us properly but painlessly understand the Windsor framework.

1:35.6

Peter Foster is the Financial Times Public Policy Editor.

1:39.0

Sam McBride is Northern Ireland editor of the Belfast Telegraph and Sunday Independent.

1:43.9

Anand Menon is director at UK and a changing Europe.

1:47.4

And Jill Rutter is Senior Fellow at the Institute for Government.

1:51.2

Peter, if I can start off with you, what is the protocol and why has it been such a problem?

1:57.8

So the protocol is the deal that Boris Johnson signed, as you said, that ensured there was not a

2:03.5

return to a trade border in Northern Ireland. Remember, with Brexit, the border between Northern Ireland

2:08.6

and Republic Island becomes an external border of the EU. And in order to avoid that becoming a trade

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