And the So, And I guess also we should probably look at that Milton Keynes Don's game. I forgot about that Ed. How you doing?

I was thinking that just as you said it yeah

I too have tried to wipe that one from my memory yeah it was all a bit unfortunate

although I don't think the sort of mass panic response that resulted from that performance was

particularly appropriate, Fergie had the odd complete and utter Rick against small sides didn't

they? Yeah quite a few actually in the in the League Cup.

I mean look it was a team of kids and French players obviously had never played together before and

and it was a bit all over the place especially with the new and sophisticated system that

Vangal is trying to move into place.

So you know I think some of the headlines are pretty lurid because

MK Don's 4, Manchester United NIL looks good, doesn't it?

And it allows for writers to talk about the skies falling in and all that kind of stuff.

But in reality that has very little bearing on the rest of this season.

Just in the narrative of the early part of the season it's it fits into that kind of crisis time mode doesn't it?

Yeah absolutely I don't think the kids particularly disgrace themselves actually in that game I think generally speaking the

blame lay with the more senior players none of whom covered themselves with

glory I suppose to Hayy didn't do much wrong all the goals were basically

gifted to strikers getting a chance one

on one against him. But Johnny Evans, my good lord, what a terrible performance

that was. It was right up there with the worst performances he's ever had for United, I'm sure.

Look, he hasn't played a proper game for a long time.

I mean, he had some time in pre-season, didn't he?

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