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Welcome to Hadamuni, I'm Joel and I am Matt.

And today we're talking the wild history of index funds with Robin Wigglesworth.

That's right, we're taking a deep dive into index funds today with Robin Wigglesworth, who is editor of Alphaville over at the Financial Times.

Robin is a financial journalist and he's also the author of the book Trillions, how a band of Wall Street renegades invented the index fund and changed finance forever.

And you know, passively investing the index funds is something we talk a lot about here on the show, but it's also something that we take for granted, right?

Like for us, it's always been an option, but that wasn't always the case.

It was a heretical idea in the past and so because of that we're excited to get into the history of one of the most important modern day investing innovations with our guest today, Robin Wigglesworth.

Robin, thank you for joining us today on the podcast.

Hi Joel, hi Matt. Thanks so much for having me on. It's been real pleasure.

Hey, we're glad to have you Robin excited to talk about your book and all the interesting things that index funds have done for us, but not just like what they do for us now, but how we got to this point.

But our first question for everybody who comes on the show is what's your craft beer equivalent and what we mean by that is that Matt and I we spend some would say and abnormal amounts on good craft beer.

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