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Once he hooks the richest client of his career, Simon works quietly to keep her wealth under the radar.

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Murder. Murder. John, it's great to see you. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. And this is such an honor for me to do this. I can't even, can't even tell you. Is this really, is this 51st or is it,

it's hard to keep track. It's hard for me to keep track. It's around 50, 51, I think. Yeah. One, because I'll show people who are watching here. There's the, a list of, of all of those books. I mean, way too many, way too many books. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, so, and it's so much fun.

It's just arrived yesterday.

So I'm not finished with it,

but I'm already, too many, way too many books. Oh, I don't know about that. I mean, so, and it's so much fun.

It's just arrived yesterday. So I'm not finished with it, but I'm already enthralled, already love it, just like everything that you do. And you're one of those authors. I think the mark of a great author is for someone to be able to hand me a paragraph. And I can read that paragraph, and I can tell what author it came from because they have such a unique style and so enthralling from the first word and you do that once again in here.

But first off, the reason for the podcast is really to encourage people to read, build their libraries, especially as people are reading less and less and being distracted devices more and

more trying to create more readers because reading has been foundational to everything I've done,

whether it's the SEAL teams or now as an author myself, reading's foundational to all

of that.

And I want to ask you first off, because I've been telling this story for years in almost every interview and it's about you.

And so I'll be very embarrassed if this is not true.

But people ask me about how I got started and that process.

And I say I wrote my first book.

And I immediately started the second one without a publishing deal because of the John Grisham story.

And I say, John Grisham wrote a time to kill first,

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