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To the Point

The Whistleblower who came out into the cold...

To the Point

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4.4583 Ratings

🗓️ 27 December 2019

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The White House insider who blew the whistle on President Trump remains under federal protection.  But whistle-blowing is a dangerous game. Warren talks with a whistle-blower who did prison time after his identity was revealed. Was he guilty of espionage--or being African-American in the CIA? 

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0:00.0

Hello again, I'm Warren Alney, talking today to Jeffrey Sterling. He's author of a book called

0:06.1

Unwanted Spy, the Persecution of an American Whistleblower. But that's not what the Obama

0:12.4

administration called him. Jeffrey Sterling served time in prison as a convicted leaker of classified

0:19.3

information.

0:21.1

His book begins by describing how Sterling grew up in segregated small-town Missouri.

0:27.1

He earned a law degree and spent almost 10 years in the CIA, but he was fired after suing

0:33.2

the agency for racial discrimination.

0:36.7

Now here's where it gets complicated. Sometime after he was

0:39.9

laid off, Sterling told Senate investigators how a CIA plot against Iran's nuclear program called

0:48.2

Operation Merlin had gone wrong. Then, four years after that, the Obama administration charged Sterling

0:57.0

with leaking that story to James Reisen of the New York Times. In his book, State of War,

1:03.0

Risen had revealed Operation Merlin. It's a complicated scenario. We'll go over the plot points

1:10.0

again as we talk.

1:11.3

But first, let me welcome Jeffrey Sterling.

1:14.4

Thanks for joining our program.

1:15.8

I thank you very much for having me on.

1:17.6

You did more than two years in federal prison.

1:20.4

You had a total sentence of 42 months, and you were still insisting you were innocent.

1:24.7

What were you convicted of?

1:26.5

I was convicted of violating the Espionaz

1:29.4

Act and the unauthorized disclosure of classified information. Specifically, what did that mean?

1:37.1

That means that they were charging me with speaking to a reporter, handing over classified information

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