"The Wheelchair-to-Warfare Pipeline" w/ Liz Jackson and Rua Williams

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🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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This episode was originally released April 11, 2024 and is being re-aired today. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at https://www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with Liz Jackson and Rua Williams about the history and ongoing practice of design objects ostensibly created for accessibility being repurposed into tools of war. Transcript: https://www.deathpanel.net/transcripts/wheelchair-to-warfare Read their article in the New Republic, “How Disabled People Get Exploited to Build the Technology of War,” here: https://newrepublic.com/article/179391/wheelchair-warfare-pipeline-disability-technology We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

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0:07.0	The Welcome to the Death Panel.
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1:28.1	at Death Panel underscore. So today, I have two really great guests joining me, who are probably
1:35.2	the two most leading experts in how design relates to disability. And I'm so excited to speak to them
1:41.6	about the enmeshment of assistive technology and weapons of war.
1:45.8	They are Liz Jackson and Rua Williams, and together they authored a recent piece about
1:50.6	disability and the military industrial complex in the New Republic called How Disabled
1:55.3	People Get Exploited to Build the Technology of War.
1:58.5	So first is Liz Jackson, Liz is a writer and independent scholar
2:02.0	and is a founding member of the Disabled List, which is a disability-led critical design
2:07.0	collective that advocates for structural changes to what design is, how it operates, and which
2:12.6	problems it seeks to solve. Liz, welcome to the death panel. So great to have you on the show.
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