Jen Hatmaker is an evangelical leader who has made headlines for going public with her politics.

We talk with Jen today about standing at the intersection of faith and politics.

This is Sarah from the left and Beth from the right.

You're listening to Pantsuit Politics.

No shouting, no insults, plenty of nuance.

Welcome to another episode of Pantsuit Politics.

We are really looking forward to sharing our conversation with Jen Hatmaker with you.

If you do not know who Jen Hatmaker is, she is a very respected admired leader in the evangelical community.

And she's taken a lot of heat really for the past two years for her independent thinking.

She's been a leader on embracing same-sex marriage.

And she has publicly denounced President Trump as not a representative of Christian values.

And so even if you are not a particularly religious person, if you're not a Christian, if you're not a person of faith at all,

I think that this conversation has something for everyone because it is really about going against the tide and doing what is right for you.

So stick with us for that.

First, yes, we are going to talk about what happened at the White House Correspondence Association dinner.

Even though there are lots of other things happening as the world turns.

So the first thing I saw was Maggie Habermann's tweet and I thought, what's that about?

And then I put two and two together and then I'm like, well, if Maggie Habermann is offended, then I should be offended.

I'm just going to be honest, that's what I thought.

But then I watched it and I was not offended.

Does that make me bad?

If you are not keeping up with the Twitter drama about the White House Correspondence Association dinner, Michelle Wolfe from the Daily Show with Trevor Noah was on,

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