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In Our Time: Science

The Whale - A History

In Our Time: Science

BBC

History

4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2009

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Melvyn Bragg and guests Steve Jones, Bill Amos and Eleanor Weston discuss the evolutionary history of the whale. The ancestor of all whales alive today was a small, land-based mammal with cloven hoofs, perhaps like a pig or a big mole. How this creature developed into the celebrated leviathan of the deep is one of the more extraordinary stories in the canon of evolution. The whale has undergone vast changes in size, has moved from land to water, lost its legs and developed specialised features such as filter feeding and echo location. How it achieved this is an exemplar of how evolution works and how natural selection can impose extreme changes on the body shape and abilities of living things. How the story of the whales was pieced together also reveals the various forms of evidence - from fossils to molecules - that we now use to understand the ancestry of life on Earth.Steve Jones is Professor of Genetics at University College London; Eleanor Weston is a mammalian palaeontologist at the Natural History Museum, London; Bill Amos is Professor of Evolutionary Genetics at Cambridge University.

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0:00.0

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0:02.2

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0:07.1

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0:09.4

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0:11.8

Hello, of all the Wales in literature, the most famous is Moby Dick described by Herman Melville.

0:17.0

Moby Dick moved on, still withholding from sight the full terrors of his submerged trunk, entirely hiding the wretched hideousness of his jaw.

0:26.0

But soon the fore part of him slowly rose from the water, and warningly waved his banet flukes in the air, the grand God revealed himself, sounded

0:36.4

and went out of sight.

0:38.2

Melvlin's novel is one of drama and Grim Potent, but more extraordinary is the story of the whale itself. For the manner in which

0:45.3

the whale has evolved is among the finest exemplars of the changes evolution can bring to bear

0:51.0

upon life on Earth. With me to discuss the evolutionary history of the

0:54.3

whale, are Eleanor Weston, a mammalian paleontologist at the Natural History Museum

0:58.9

in London, Bilimos, Professor of Evolutionary Genetics at Cambridge University, and Steve Jones, Professor of Genetics

1:05.8

at University College London.

1:08.0

Steve Jones, can you give us some context for the beginnings of what turned into the whale. I think the whale as well

1:17.6

as being a sort of a magnificent creature and meta almost almost a swimming

1:21.1

metaphor as well the Melville uses them is a classic example of what might

1:26.0

happen to humans if we landed on a new planet because the whales were the first mammals

1:31.1

really to go into the sea. The sea was then 65 million years ago,

1:35.7

or a bit earlier than that. The sea was then more or less empty. It had been pulsing with life,

1:40.0

with the death of the dinosaurs at that time, many of the giant predatory lizards that were in the sea had disappeared.

1:47.5

So there was an empty world waiting to be experienced.

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