Is this the end of the entire global order as we know it?

The Iran War, obviously, just the latest horror, the Gaza genocide.

Obviously, we've had two and a half years of every possible war crime live streamed,

and with the West up to its neck, in complicity, in the destruction of international norms.

I've got a brilliant guest here today to talk about this.

Bruno Massage, whose name I've mispronounced, despite having discussed that at length before

we started recording.

Now, a very fascinating guy who I've been following for a very long time and who I

look to actually for his insights and his thoughts

all the way through the genocide in particular obviously Iran war as well and it's

very interesting because of the political tradition he comes from and he's a

former Portuguese minister but in a right wing government or centre right

government whatever you want to call it.

But, you know, and I think that's interesting because most people on the European right

have not spoken out about Israel's genocide at all.

They've done quite the opposite.

I mean, lots of so-called centre-left types

are also complicit.

So I'm not going to.

In any case, I think that's interesting and notable for its courage.

And it's, it's important as well.

It's important in terms of what happens next, actually.

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