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If West Streeting can't fix the National Health Service,

then labour fails.

That is what many people say about my guest on political thinking this week.

The Health Secretary Wed Streeting.

Why? Because they think it is fundamental to the success of any Labour government that they have to

show that they can run the health service successfully.

A health service that he has declared to be broken and in bad need of reform.

We're Streeting. Welcome back to political thinking.

Thanks for having me back.

We're talking at the end of a conference. It's been quite a lively

few days for you both politically and otherwise. How are you surviving? Just about, I'd like to know who in my team agreed to stick this on the end of the conference

schedule.

And you can probably hear from my voice.

It's quite hoarse at this end of the week because of all of the

debating speaking debate you know and karaoke singing okay singing so it's been it's been a great week here in Liverpool. Yes.

First Labour conference in government for 15 years.

There's hot lemon and honey in front of you and I don't think we'll break any great secret to reveal that you were singing

karaoke at the Daily Mirror Party in the early hours of last night or the early

hours of this morning. And people call me the fun police I do not understand why.

That is a crucial part of conference that people don't get is that

alongside kind of serious meetings there is this is a party as well as a party

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