Blonoff is the word that I would use to describe the vast majority of the conversations that

I've had when I am seeking health care.

Not just doctors, nurses, people who work in doctors offices, and I am not mad at anybody

who does this work because I know that you're never just talking about care when you're

talking about these issues.

You're talking about health insurance.

You're talking about liability issues.

And I think that's part of what connected with me when I was reading about birth.

But a lot of the decisions made around birth were financial and liability avoidant decisions

instead of decisions about the best possible care.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland and this is Beth Silverce.

Thank you for joining us for Pant suit politics.

Welcome to Pant suit politics.

We are so glad you joined us today.

This week we're going to be talking about the wellness industry and the anti-vaccine

movement and how they are related.

Today we're going to start by sharing our own personal journeys with the wellness industry

before diving into some of the history of how we got to this point.

Of course, make sure you stay to the end because we're going to be talking about sad girl

on them on outside politics and the big album releases from both Taylor Swift and Adele.

This is a two-parter.

We will be back on Friday show to talk more specifically about the wellness to QAnon

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