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The Michael Shermer Show

The Weirdness of the World

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4 • 921 Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2024

⏱️ 123 minutes

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Summary

Do we live inside a simulated reality or a pocket universe embedded in a larger structure about which we know virtually nothing? Is consciousness a purely physical matter, or might it require something extra, something nonphysical? According to the philosopher Eric Schwitzgebel, it’s hard to say. In The Weirdness of the World, Schwitzgebel argues that the answers to these fundamental questions lie beyond our powers of comprehension. We can be certain only that the truth—whatever it is—is weird. Philosophy, he proposes, can aim to open—to reveal possibilities we had not previously appreciated—or to close, to narrow down to the one correct theory of the phenomenon in question. Schwitzgebel argues for a philosophy that opens.

According to Schwitzgebel’s “Universal Bizarreness” thesis, every possible theory of the relation of mind and cosmos defies common sense. According to his complementary “Universal Dubiety” thesis, no general theory of the relationship between mind and cosmos compels rational belief. Might the United States be a conscious organism — a conscious group mind with approximately the intelligence of a rabbit? Might virtually every action we perform cause virtually every possible type of future event, echoing down through the infinite future of an infinite universe? What, if anything, is it like to be a garden snail? Schwitzgebel makes a persuasive case for the thrill of considering the most bizarre philosophical possibilities.

Shermer and Schwitzgebel discuss: bizarreness • skepticism • consciousness • virtual reality • AI, Turing Test, sentience, existential threat • idealism, materialism • ultimate nature of reality • solipsism • evidence for the existence of an external world • computer simulations hypothesis • mind-body problem • truths: external, internal, objective, subjective • mind-altering drugs • entropy • causality • infinity • immortality • multiverses • why there is something rather than nothing.

Eric Schwitzgebel is professor of philosophy at the University of California, Riverside. He is the author of A Theory of Jerks and Other Philosophical Misadventures; Perplexities of Consciousness; and Describing Inner Experience?

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show. The Michael Sherber Show Your bioline that your publicist sent me was so short I

0:28.4

Wikipedia and and I have to read this paragraph because it's so interesting.

0:33.2

This is an earlier piece of your research.

0:36.9

That you've studied the behavior of philosophers,

0:38.8

particularly ethicists using empirical methods.

0:41.7

Like what? The articles he's published to investigate

0:44.4

whether ethicist behave more ethically than other populations. Well you would think so that's

0:49.9

what they do for a living. In a 2009 study you here investigated the rate in

0:55.0

which ethics books were missing from academic libraries compared to similar

1:00.0

philosophy books what is that you mean if they were stolen? Yeah well stolen or at least one year

1:07.1

overdue. I see yeah okay which is comes close to being stolen I mean will that book ever come back if it's five years overdue?

1:15.3

You know, right?

1:17.8

You know, when I was in graduate school, I took a course in Ethology, Animal Behavior, in 1977 from Meg White.

1:26.0

And she lent me a copy of Eibelsfeld's great book on Ethology.

1:32.2

And I never returned it. and I just saw her last year at a memorial service for one of our colleagues

1:37.3

Doug Maverick and I brought the book back and she said oh Shucks at this point I'll just sign it over to you

1:42.3

and it's like all right I should Shucks at this point, I'll just sign it over to you.

1:43.0

And it's like, all right, I should have done this a long time ago.

1:47.0

But continuing, the study found that ethics books were in fact missing at higher rates

1:51.0

than comparable texts and other disciplines.

1:53.0

Subsequent research has measured the behavior of ethicists at conferences,

1:57.0

the perceptions of other philosophers about ethicists,

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