For our listeners, let me just say today's show is one that is close to my heart, so let me just give you some quick backstory.

I recently was talking with someone about the Black Census Project at the Black Futures Lab.

And as you all know, who've been listening, the Black Census is the largest survey of black people in American history.

And in it, we ask respondents to talk

with us about the most pressing issues facing our communities today, and more importantly, what it is

that we should do about those challenges. In this year's survey, we ask about white nationalism.

Now, the person I was talking to shared that they thought that the most

important issues were education, health care, and housing. I said that the most important issues

were the economy, white nationalism, and health care. They got a very puzzled look on their face

when I said that and asked me what I meant by white nationalism.

So I briefly explained using some examples of groups who are white nationalist organizations,

the proud boys, Aryan Nation, and the like. Now this person who I was talking to, a black person,

proceeded to explain to me why white nationalism was not actually a big deal.

They said essentially that these were small fringe groups with attitudes that were dying out,

with an assumption, of course, that they were filled with like old white guys waving Confederate flags,

maybe a guy in his basement with a bud light can.

Now imagine his surprise when I calmly explained that actually these groups were growing in size, diverse in participation demographically and especially age-wise,

and that over 100 current members of Congress have expressed white nationalist views.

But there's even more of a personal story to my guest today. In 2020, both of us

were targeted by the same white nationalist organization. I was visited at my home by the FBI on a

duty to warn visit, as apparently my name had been found on a list with others being targeted

across the country to die.

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