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Intelligence Squared

The Week Mandela Averted Civil War and Forged a New Nation

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

News Commentary, Arts, News, Society & Culture

4.21.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

On Easter weekend 1993 Nelson Mandela was engaged in slow-moving power-sharing talks with President F.W. de Klerk when a white supremacist shot Mandela’s heir-apparent, Chris Hani, in the hope of igniting an all-out civil war. On this episode of the podcast, acclaimed South African journalist Justice Malala recounts the riveting story of the pivotal nine days that followed Hani’s murder and the extraordinary effort of leadership that was needed to avert a crisis that could have developed into a full-scale war. Our host for this conversation is Alec Russell, Foreign Editor of the Financial Times. ... Special event promo - 2 for 1 tickets to Bach vs Beethoven. Claim your discount here: intelligencesquared.com/bachvbeethoven Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:34.0

Hang on, these are odd-looking potatoes.

0:36.0

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0:38.0

You do know you need potato to make chips, right?

0:41.0

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0:43.0

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0:46.0

So we eat McCain chips. I'm helping do some good.

0:49.0

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0:52.0

By the way, I do know the difference between kale and potatoes.

0:56.0

Of course you do.

0:58.0

McCain, let's all chip in.

1:01.0

Welcome to Intelligent Squad. I'm producer Catherine Hughes.

1:05.0

On Easter weekend, 1993, Nelson Mandela was engaged in slow-moving power-sharing talks

1:11.0

with President F.W. Declarek.

1:13.0

When a white supremacist shot Mandela's heir apparent, Chris Harnie,

1:17.0

in the hope of igniting an all-out civil war.

1:20.0

On this episode of the podcast, a claim South African journalist Justice Malala

1:25.0

recounts the riveting story of the pivotal nine days that followed Harnie's murder

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