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Chris, welcome back from Washington.

Well, thank you.

Katrina, hello in Washington.

I'm still here.

And James, and I have just been here throughout.

We've just been here throughout.

I think I'm probably the only person in this podcast

who's never been in the Oval Office

and never witnessed one of the pool sprays

when everyone's like shouting

and it's all cameras. What is it actually like, Katrina? What's the Oval Office actually like in

those moments? It's kind of like what you see on TV, I think. It's very intense. The Oval

Office is much smaller than you might think it is based on, you know, looking at it on TV, the

real one and in movies and so on as well.

And on those moments when there are foreign leaders there like Sir Kirs Starmor or, of course, Vladimir Zelensky last week,

and the media are all rustled in and you're shoulder to shoulder, bustled up jostling for the best possible position because you only have seconds before the leaders start talking. So it's very intense. It's generally quite hot and sweaty. You can have

your head under someone else's armpit trying to get your microphone into the best position.

But it's always newsmaking and it's always, for me anyway, you know, regardless of who's sitting

in those chairs,

it's a kind of pinch me moment like you're in the Oval Office, the seat of so much power in the world.

And Chris, it must have been very weird for you seeing Kirstarmer there,

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