Next, the Prime Minister, opposition leader, and even some members of the Royal Family gathered in Westminster Abbey this week to sing the praises of the NHS.

Now 75 years old, isn't it about time we had some of those difficult conversations about what's going wrong in the health service?

Joining me now is former health secretary, Satcha Javid.

Satcha, thank you for joining Spectator TV.

Thank you. To start, we've had 13 years of Tory rule. How is the NHS doing now?

Well, the NHS is getting record amounts of funding. It's dealing with more people and more

patients than ever before this history. It's got more doctors and nurses than ever before. It's dealing with more people and more patients than ever before this history.

It's got more doctors and nurses than ever before. It's had to deal with a pandemic, which

we haven't seen the likes of for decades. And so in many senses, it's doing well in terms of

looking after so many people. But when you compare the NHS to other universal

healthcare systems in countries we often compare ourselves to our neighbours in Europe, Australia,

Japan and other places, the health outcomes, which ultimately I think is what matters most to

people are definitely not as good as they should be.

You've become very vocal recently about calling for change and calling for reform of the NHS.

What has propelled you to do that?

Well, after having been health secretary and as well as having obviously other jobs in government,

which I was dealing with

the development of health and social care, it's become more of a challenge, I think, because

of the pandemic. But even before the pandemic, I think we could see because of an aging society,

because of the changes in the burden of disease, especially since the NHS was created because of the

expectations that people rightly have for the latest drugs and treatments. So we see the surge in

demand and supply hasn't been keeping up. And I think when we all sort of look at it and we do an

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