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Welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, April 6th, the We Want Wives Edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia.

In the New York studios, we have June Thomas, the managing producer of Slate Podcasts. Hi, June. Hey, Hannah. And Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hi, Hannah. Now, I know that we all want to talk about the finale of Big Little Lies. Yes. We do. Yes. We're not going to do that. We're not going to do that because we're going to talk about it in Slate Plus. Now, this sounds like a promo, but it's not a promo. We are actually going to talk about it in Slate Plus this week. Right, June? Yes, Hannah. And if you want to hear these Slate Plus bonus segments, now you can hear them free for 90 days. Just download our new iOS app at slate.com

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APP. All right. Let's start with our first topic, Mike Pence. Our vice president, a recent profile in the Washington Post of his wife,

Karen Pence, revived this 15-year-old quote from Mike Pence about how he doesn't dine alone

with another woman. Twitter went crazy. This was more evidence of his sexism, of his retrograde

way of being.

So what do we think about this?

First of all, this is a Billy Graham rule, right?

Guys, did you read about the Billy Graham rule?

Yes, indeed.

And that was really illuminating.

It was, I was very...

Well, what is it?

So Billy Graham, the famous evangelist, came up with a series of, I think, five rules, but one of them, the one that seems to have stuck with us today and has been adopted by other people, is that he was never with, he was never alone with a woman. And then Pence has an extension where he doesn't go to any place that serves alcohol without his wife.

I'm not sure if that was a Billy Graham rule.

I don't think that's, I think maybe that's a Pence corollary or something.

But yes, the Billy Graham role is that never be alone with a woman.

So the thing that I found rather, I don't know, encouraging or

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