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The events in the following episode took place on the afternoon and evening of March 23rd, 2018.

Closing to make sure I'm recording.

Yep, okay, cool. I always get nervous before these do you?

Oh yeah, yeah. Because it's basically like, I need to speak to them. They don't need to speak to me.

Oh yeah, no, I mean, look, I knock on doors all day long. I only get nervous though.

Like, and it's necessary and I do the exact same thing, but I only get nervous when I try and adapt.

Yeah, yeah, when I just make a phone call, I don't.

Right. But what about somebody who you need information?

Oh yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah, I mean, like, dude, I was so nervous when I was going to knock on the door of the spot house.

Oh my God. Yeah.

Like, totally stressed out. Yeah, because I like, because I have one shot.

Like, you know, I knock on the door, whatever I say determines whether, you know, or how they, you know, how they perceive me.

In my opinion, determines whether they want to talk to me or not.

Yeah, yeah, I tell you that exactly. All right. All right. Here we, here we go.

You know, you know how we love and what the truth is.

Hey, Tenderfoot listeners, this is Jessica Nol, host of the new True Crime Podcast, Undetermined,

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