Guess today is Vicki Shabo from the New America Foundation.

This is a conversation about family leave policy, which has never quite broken through

as a top tier issue in America politics, but I know it's really important to me personally

and to I think a lot of people who listen to this show.

I learned a lot and this is an issue that I keep hoping is going to break through into

the mainstream.

So check it out.

Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Boxing Media Podcast Network.

I'm Matthew Glacias.

My guest today, Vicki Shabo, is the senior fellow for family leave policy and strategy

in New America.

Check it out right?

Senior fellow for paid leave policy and strategy.

For paid leave policy and strategy.

Ah, I practiced it three times.

Oh, good.

And I blew it.

Okay, so we are here to talk about paid leave policy, maybe a little strategy.

But just start like, what's the, what's the issue here?

I mean, paid leave is something some of us have as benefits, you know, at our work,

it was a subject of negotiation.

When we formed a union here, had a collective bargaining process, we won more paid leave.

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