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The Waves: Why the Law Cares About Your Sex

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4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2022

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate homepage editor Sol Werthan sits down with trans rights activist and author, Paisley Currah. They discuss Paisley’s new book, Sex Is As Sex Does and discuss why “male” and “female” are used as a legal and social classifier. And why, even for cis people who identify with the gender binary, that might not be the right way to go. In Slate Plus, Sol and Paisley talk about the politicization of trans kids. Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Shannon Palus, Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery. Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Waves, Slates podcast about gender, feminism, and social constructs galore.

0:19.8

And today you've got me, Soul Worthen, a homepage editor at Slate.

0:24.4

Right now in the US, trans people are a major bogeyman.

0:28.5

Their identity, trans rights, non-binary people, they're all often treated as a punchline

0:33.6

by the right and supposed proof that society is falling apart.

0:38.6

One common transphobic argument is that trans people are deceptive or even delusional

0:43.5

because at the end of the day sex is this concrete, fixed, unchangeable thing and trans people

0:49.4

are basically trying to override that reality.

0:52.9

So in this vision of the world, whatever it says on your birth certificate is essentially

0:57.6

something that will define you forever, no matter what you do after you're born.

1:03.8

I find this argument really offensive and frankly tiresome.

1:07.8

It's not some bold new claim, it's old news.

1:12.0

Trans activists and scholars have spent a long time and a lot of energy explaining the

1:17.2

nuances of sex and gender and making the case that self-identity matters more than whatever

1:22.9

your legal documents say.

1:25.8

So I went to women's college and when I first got there, the admissions policy was that

1:31.2

only people whose identity documents said that they were female were eligible for admission.

1:37.2

I was involved with student activism to get the admissions policy changed to allow trans

1:42.4

women to attend.

1:44.1

A big part of our argument was that the college should focus on self-identity rather than

1:49.2

relying on birth certificates because under the original admissions policy, trans men whose

1:55.1

documents listed them as female could attend the school, but trans women whose documents

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